Topic: US Supreme Court case US SUPREME COURT CLERK DANNY BICKELL CONTINUES SABOTAGE OF NJ CITIZEN CHALLENGE TO 08 ELECTION
Published: Nov.13.2008 @ 9:04 am | Print | Email |
Last Edited: Nov.17.2008 @ 10:23 pm
UPDATE: 1:31 PM
Now that the Docket reflects that my case has followed proper procedure through all possible lower court jurisdictions, I will resubmit the application for an emergency stay of the national election to Justice Clarence Thomas.
Supreme Court Rule 22(4) (operating in tandem with Rule 23) gives me the right, by law, to resubmit the Application for Emergency Stay to "any other Justice" once the original stay application has been denied. According to the Docket, and a letter I received from Mr. Danny Bickell, Justice Souter denied the stay application on November 6th.
So, according to the Rules, I may now resubmit the application to "any other justice."
However, there is still one issue which must be dealt with before I resubmit the stay application. Rule 22 (4) requires that I write a letter to the Clerk indicating which Justice I am renewing the stay application to. This letter is supposed to go to William Suter, Clerk of the US Supreme Court, but the "stay clerk" is Mr. Danny Bickell and I'm certain that the renewed stay application will go directly through him.
Once the "Clerk" receives it, Rule 22(1) prescribes the following duty to the Clerk in relation thereto:
Rule 22. Applications to Individual Justices
1. An application addressed to an individual Justice shall be filed with the Clerk, who will transmit it promptly to the Justice concerned if an individual Justice has authority to grant the sought relief. (Emphasis added.)
This means that the original stay application should have been submitted to Justice Souter on Mon. Nov 3rd, the day I filed it, the day it was stamped. But it wasn't "transmitted promptly", it was disposed of promptly by Mr. Bickell, and it was disposed of wrongly. Eventually it was actually transmitted to Justice Souter, but only after I read Mr. Bickell the riot act.
Ponder this; if Mr. Bickell had been intially correct in disposing of the stay application on Monday Nov. 3rd, then why did he eventually Docket it and submit it to Justice Souter on Nov. 6th? The answer is obvious. He was wrong to have disposed of it, and he was wrong to have failed to notify me of such disposition and he's been wrongly trying to dispose of it in one way or another ever since.
I anticipate that Mr. Bickell will be handed my renewed "application for an emergency stay" by interns in the Clerk's office, even though, technically, according to Rule 22(1) the letter accompanying the application must be addressed to the "Clerk". The Clerk is "William K Suter".
Please send Mr. Suter letters indicating that you, as an American citizen, are outraged at the disrespect and sabotage this case, Donofrio v. Wells, US Supreme Court Docket No. 08A407, has been subjected to. Mr. Suter's address is:
William K. Suter, Clerk
United States Supreme Court
Office of the Clerk
Washington, D.C. 20543-0001
[Please dont' confuse Clerk Suter with Justice Souter.]
When you write your letters to; Justice Thomas, the other Supreme Court Justices, and Clerk Suter, it would be good to include a paragraph explaining that the case reflects a matter of vital public importance, depends on a genuine Constitutional issue of first impression, is coming directly from the NJ Supreme Court and is relying on the "stay application" precedent issued by the most Honorable Court in Bush v. Gore, 531 U.S. 98 (2000):
"Governor Bush and Richard Cheney, Republican Candidates for the Presidency and Vice Presidency, filed an emergency application for a stay of this mandate. On December 9, we granted the application, treated the application as a petition for a writ of certiorari, and granted certiorari."
Unfortunately, Mr. Bickell failed to recognize the precedent set in that case when he initially refused to pass on my "stay application" to Justice Souter on Nov. 3rd. When I spoke to Mr. Bickell on Nov. 6th, he told me my stay application should have come with a "Full Petition for Writ of Certiorari". It was this decision which delayed Justice. This was a decision of substantive law made by a clerk who subverted the authority of the US Supreme Court. And his decision, despite being an act of direct insubordination, was also legally flawed.
As was done in Bush v. Gore, also a Presidential election case involving an emergency, the Supreme Court, in its wisdom, recognizing the exigency of the circumstances, decided to relax its formal requirements and instead, the Honorable Court, in granting the Stay, decided to accept the less formal Stay Application as if it were a full Petition for Writ of Certiorari, and then they granted Certiorari.
This was the precedent I was proceeding under. Had Mr. Bickell followed the Supreme Court Rules, Justice Souter would have received my emergency Stay Application on Monday Nov. 3rd, shortly after 4:30PM. But Mr. Bickell didn't Docket the case until Nov. 6th, and only after I protested vehemently. While arguing with me, Mr. Bickell told me that it didn't matter what I did or what law I cited, "Justice Souter will just deny it...and Justice Thomas will also deny it."
How dare he speak for our Supreme Court. The audacity is disgusting.
According to the Docket and Mr. Bickell's letter, Justice Souter apparently denied the Stay Application on that same day.
Had Justice Souter denied it on Nov. 3rd instead, and had Mr. Bickell then followed Rule 22(6), which says that I was to be informed of the "disposition" of the case "by appropriately speedy means", i.e., a phone call, then I could have resubmitted the Stay Application to Justice Clarence Thomas at 9:00 AM on Nov. 4th, Election Day, and since the case was bi-partisan, and at that time there was no winner, Justice Clarence Thomas could have granted the stay, stopped the Election, brought in the whole Court, and decided the "natural born citizen" issue before the voting was done.
I did everything in my power to see that this was the case, and Mr. Bickell did everything in his power to see that this wasn't the case.
And that's why your letters are still needed. Mr. Bickell needs to understand that Justice Clarence Thomas and the rest of the Court will be aware that this case is on its way to them and that if anybody is going to deny the stay application - "We the People" - demand that it be a genuine US Supreme Court Justice and not a clerk impersonating a Justice.
Very Truly Yours,
Leo C. Donofrio
UPDATE: 11:43 AM
Mr. Danny Bickell, stay clerk of the US Supreme Court, has finally corrected the Docket for US Supreme Court Case No. 08A407, Donofrio v. Wells, to reflect that this case has come to the US Supreme Court directly from a final order denying emergency relief by the New Jersey Supreme Court. Having this case properly docketed is a major procedural necessity to the case having proper standing to be decided in the US Supreme Court.
Thanks to all who made a stand to see that this Docket was corrected.
Warm Regards,
Leo C. Donofrio
US SUPREME COURT STAY CLERK DANNY BICKELL CONTINUES SABOTAGE OF NJ CITIZEN LAW SUIT CHALLENGING 08 ELECTION
Leo C. Donofrio v. Nina Mitchell Wells, Secretary of State of the State of New Jersey
... now before the US Supreme Court comes directly from a final decision as to the emergency matter issued by the highest court in New Jersey which is the Supreme Court Of New Jersey. Mr. Bickell has consistently attempted to stop this case from being docketed properly. And in doing so Mr. Bickell has subverted and defiled the esteemed Rules of the US Supreme Court, particularly Rules 22 and 23.
Mr. Bickell knows that, for my case to have proper standing before the US Supreme Court, I am required to exhaust all of my lower court options, which I have done. My case was originally brought in the NJ Appelllate Division where it was delayed, subjected to misconduct and eventually denied on October 30. Then on October 31, I brought the same action to the NJ Supreme Court. The Supreme Court also denied my application for Emergency relief, but in doing so, the NJ Supreme Court, by the hand of the Honorable Justice Virginia A Long, relied on "movant's papers" which contained a Constitutional issue of first impression as to the "natural born citizen" clause of Article 2, Section 1, of the Constitution of the United States. (See below.)
Regardless, after numerous attempts to reason with Mr. Bickell, he still refuses to update the Docket for US Supreme Court case # 08A407 to include any reference to the NJ Supreme Court decision. Instead, Mr. Bickell lists only the Appellate Division reference which is an incomplete record of the procedure of this case.
And in so doing, Mr. Bickell is very aware that any Justice of the Supreme Court who may take an interest in this case might come to an erroneous conclusion that the case is prematurely before the US Supreme Court. This is one of the many dangers inherent in Mr. Bickell's sabotage of this case.
Mr. Bickell, through his illegal actions, has now taken control of the Docket at the United States Supreme Court and in so doing, Mr. Bickell is operating such Docket under his own brand of martial law. Mr. Bickell's actions are no less than a declaration of war upon the Rules of Supreme Court practice.
I am calling for Mr. Bickell to be fired from his position and for him to be arrested by the Justice Department for criminal abuse of power and dereliction of duty. Mr. Bickell needs to be put under oath and questioned in a court of law as to the motivations behind his drastic attempt at overthrowing our legal system of justice and to see if there are other conspirators involved with him in this attack on our highest court's authority.
If this lowly clerk can single-handedly deny justice according to his own whim and deceit, than the highest court in our land is effectively subverted to the cause of injustice. And such a house divided cannot stand. What you are seeing today, via Mr. Bickell's blatant deceit and judicial treachery, is a direct attempt to change the fabric and ability of justice as we have always known it. This rebellion from the Supreme Court Rules of Court, if allowed to stand, will signal the beginning of the end of our Constitutional form of Government.
If, after having reviewed the documents and legal arguments at this site, you believe, as I do, that Mr. Bickell should be thrown out of his office at the US Supreme Court, then please call the US Supreme Court and speak your mind.
US Supreme Court Clerk's office: 202-479-3011
Stay Clerk, Mr. Danny Bickell: 202-479-3024
Public Information Office: 202-479-3211, Reporters press 1
they say you are lying and that everything is filed correctly. they also say that nothing is being held up. AND, they said we can call back as often as we wish.
He is lying. The document attached to this blog post is the proof. It's an order from the NJ Supreme Court, which makes direct rerefence to the lower court Appellate Divison case. The SCOTUS Docket does not reflect that this case went form the Appellate Divsion to the NJ Supreme Court.
The SCOTUS Docket only reflects the case went as far as the Appellate Division.
The US Supreme Court Clerk's office is lying and in so doing they are sticking a thumb right in your eye. Look at the document I have provided. Everything I have said is proved by its existence.
This is an intellectual declaration of war by the Clerk's office.
I just got off the phone with Bickell. I asked what's going on with this case and was told everything was handled as it should have been. I said, "So you claiming that the information and facts posted by Donofrio are wrong?" Bickell says, " They're LIES!"
"So, you syaing that Donofrio is a LIAR?," I ask.
"YES!" replies Bickell...
"Why should I believe what you say over what Donofrio says?"
"Because we're the SUPREME COURT!" Bickell retorts.
I made the call at 9:04am CST and was on the phone for 1 min 36 sec...
Mr. Bickell is NOT the Supreme Court. Mr. Bickell is a clerk who is passing himself off as "The Supreme Court". His answer to you shows his lack of respect for his lowly position in that he told you, "We are the Supreme Court".
I have documents stamped by the NJ Supreme Court which are supposed to be part of the US Supreme Court Docket. If those documents are not real, I would be arrested for forging offcial NJ Supreme Court documents. Ask Mr. Bickell why he has not updated the Docket to include the NJ Supreme Court's order.
Mr. Bickell is a traitor and I imagine he is not alone. Perhaps some may be feeling the truth of this situation, that the US Supreme Court has been invaded. They are making a gambit here that this will blow over and perhaps Mr. Bickell and his posse believe they will be shielded by pardons down the road. Regardless, my documents prove that they are willing to lie, cheat and deceive thepublic about this case.
Can you disregard this docket number and file another case with SCOTUS seeking injuctive relief? Can the NJ Supreme Court get involved to prove they were the last court involved?
I can't disregard the Docket #. The case already has a procedural trail. That would be a big mistake. All I can do is hope now that my renewed application gets to the desk of Justice Clarence Thomas.
I haven't been in touch with Fox News, but if somebody knows how to do that, please let me know or perhaps let them know about this case and this blog.
There's an enemy of the people in the Supreme Court Clerk's office and if this case does nothing else but expose that enemy of "We The People" then this case will have served a noble purpose.
didn't someone post yesterday that they heard about this blog on sean hannity? perhaps if we flood e-mails to him, he'll take a closer look. however greta is a lawyer.
someone else posted that laura ingrahm knows or used to work for justice thomas.
what does the 'renewed application' mean? Most of us are not attorneys. If the docket was already denied can it actually be submitted to Justice Thomas? Or is it dead in the water?
AWESOME -- that's the power of the people at work!!! Your tenacity is admirable sir. Can you tell us exactly what happens now? Do you have to resubmit pleadings for consideration by Justice Thomas or do the pleadings already submitted now get forwarded to him? If the latter, is Bickell responsible for walking them to him?
Just a thought: Since all the mainstream media refuses to address anything negative about Obama, including Fox, maybe you would have better luck going with an international news source, such as the BBC or Canadafreepress or even Asian Times. You might also contact George Noory or Ian Punnett at coasttocoastam.com, who have been open-minded enough to have both Berg and Corsi on their radio show.
I have forwarded your blog to my contacts. Written to the Supreme Court. Wish I could help more.
I am appealing to you directly as a US citizen who believes you are being systematically denied awareness of a legitimate appeal to the US Supreme Court, the docket number of which is referenced above, by a single individual in the clerk's office -- the Stay Clerk, Mr. Danny Bickell.
The appeal referenced above has made its way through the New Jersey Supreme Court, raises a Constitutional issue regarding the eligibility of Presidential candidates and is therefore properly presented to the US Supreme Court.
My contention is that Mr. Bickell has exceeded his authority and through deliberate misconduct is refusing to acknowledge the New Jersey Supreme Court's review of the case, after its review by the New Jersey Appellate Division, which allows the case to be properly presented to the US Supreme Court.
Mr. Bickell's specific docketing of the case fails to mention the case went to the New Jersey Supreme Court though the order from the New Jersey Supreme Court is reproduced within the web site also referenced above. By failing to docket the case correctly Mr. Bickell ensures that the case will not reach your desk or the desk of any other Supreme Court Justice.
The history of this case and its handling within the Clerk's office is well documented within the web site above and is very troubling!
Thank you for your prompt attention to this matter.
People can stop calling but it's VERY important that the letters be sent...today, if at all possible.
Here's what happens next. Since the Docket now shows my case has travelled through the NJ Supreme Court and that my Stay Application was denied by Justice Souter, I am entitled under US Supreme Court Rule 22(4) to resubmit my Stay Application to any Justice of my choice.
http://www.law.cornell.edu/rules/supct/22.html
That's the Rule. I must include a letter to that Justice, and it will be Justice Clarence Thomas... and I must include 10 copies of the original application for an emergency stay.
The original stay application is available on the front page of this blog, just scroll down to yesterday's first post.
Thanks to all, but please keep writing the letters. Justice Clarence Thomas needs to be aware of the case, as do the other Justices so that if Mr. Bickell decides NOT to pass it on, Justice Thomas will come looking for it anyway.
Just before I noticed the 11:43 AM update I was on FoxNews.com and their UReport site was locked up due to high traffic volume. I can't help but wonder if we had an influx of people attempting to report this story.
I am calling on everyone to continue making contacts and sending info to anyone that you think can help bring this story to the Mainstream. I have contacted several Congressman this morning, as well as every writer at LewRockwell.com. Additionally, I wrote several politically active friends and asked them to pass this blog address along and to familiarize themselves with the issues surrounding this important case.
Thank you for your reply/update regarding the resubmission rule! I'm a former litigation legal secy so I thrive on details. My letter will be in the mail today -- or faxed if I can find a fax number.
Is there an option to fax our letters? Does anyone know that number? From my location, a letter will take about 4 days to reach the Court, plus any processing time they add to that.
Yes, if you could please tell us exactly where you'd like for us to send or fax our letters. Post names alongside specific fax numbers. I'll try the SCOTUS site in the meantime.
I'll also email the fox email addresses listed here as well.
In the interim, I called the Obama transition office at 202 540-3000 and tell them that I was concerned that President-elect Obama's birth certificate was being sealed by the State of Hawaii and asked that they should immediately have this sealed official birth certificate unsealed and made public. I said that I was totally appalled by the secrecy and wanted them to disclose the full truth, no matter what it was. I think hearing more calls like this won't hurt. Go for it! They need to hear from us that this is unacceptable.
Please don;t loose the facts of where the merits of this case started out. It is about the u.s. supreme court working for we the people, and uphold the constituion.
I agree the MSM will not do anything, and Fox, probably not. I would try Glenn Beck, Mark Levin, and Michael Savage. Also Free Talk Live (www.freetalklive.com).
Glenn's e-mail me@glennbeck.com you will have to get verify your e-mail to the spam filter first.
All we need to do is reach that critical mass to get picked up by a talk show host.
If BO has forged any documents to date, then he will do the same with regard to anything that is ultimately released to put all this to bed. I think tipping off the BO camp anymore is detrimental to our effort. I would not call or write any BO office. Let them get surprised, its to our advantage.
Obsessive calling and letter writing is only going to piss everyone off.
I guarantee you of that.
On the other hand. We did tell Bicknell about this site, who is saying what, and that you're insisting for everyone to call and harass the judges and clerks. Some might call this harassment, but what do I know?
I'm positive this will be the best approach... Surely if we just harass them they won't be likely to just get that big red "denied" stamp out
I'm sure all 50 of you are going to get the supreme court to back you to the hilt! As we all know, 50 people is a true representation of the US! Not at all like a little cult following of ass-sniffing conspiracy theorists!
p.s. If you think the Obama camp doesn't know about all of this, you're f'ing nuts. They know about it ALL. They've been made fully aware of every site, of every story, of everthing everywhere. This is the internet, peabrains. You can't hide.
The real peabrains are the ones who were duped into supporting this radical, secretive, muslim mixed breed! Now sane and patriotic Americans are trying to clean up your mess!
"The real peabrains are the ones who were duped into supporting this
radical, secretive, muslim mixed breed! Now sane and patriotic
Americans are trying to clean up your mess!"
Can we say 'paranoid sociopath' anyone? Patriotic doesn't mean you try and smear people, idiot. It means you love your country. It also means you shouldn't listen to every wingnut whacko out there with a conspiracy theory.
YOU could care less about this country. You only have your own best interests at heart. Go fly a kite.
On a more positive note, today I mailed letters to: Chief Justice John Roberts, and Associate Justices Scalia, Alito, Thomas and Kennedy. I didn't bother with the likes of Ginsberg. Our voices will be heard.
I suppose everybody has different motivations for feeling passionate about this issue, but I think we shouldn't lose sight of the intent of this lawsuit. It is not about race, political party or whether or not you like Sen. Obama's ideology, religious beliefs or personality. This case is about upholding Justice and holding people accountable to following the rules set forth in our Constitution.
It is not cultish to support a person who is giving voice to a large number of citizens of this country who want strict adherence to the Constitution by all people. No one is above the law.
\I used this email address to send to the Court to complain about that Bickel guy and asked for Thomas' email address. I didn't get an email adress but got a reply. Don't know if it really works but its a start.
Just send respectful letters as this blog has suggested. Do NOT call and say nonsense like "you hate Obama." Or say "Leo told us to call." This is stupid and counterproductive.
My guess is an OBot posted that message.
Send respectful letters to all the Justices and Clerk Suter (not to be confused with Justice Souter). If you call be respectful. Tell them you are concerned that the case is not being handled properly.
I absolutely did not unite my voice in any hate messages about Mr. Obama. I do not hate him at all. I think that attitude is detrimental to this case and I hope nobody expressed hatred toward Mr. Obama in their letters.
Hi all - I have been following this lawsuit by Leo Donofrio. I am a paralegal. I actually listened to his interview on Plains Radio Network last night. I am a member of Team Sarah (teamsarah.org) and there are 57,000 of us. I think I will write a blog there tonight about the case and the need for letter writing to the Supreme Court. Would that help? I am truly impressed by his courage and persistence. Thank you, Leo!
<i> p.s. If you think the Obama camp doesn't know about all of this, you're f'ing nuts. They know about it ALL. They've been made fully aware of every site, of every story, of everthing everywhere. This is the internet, peabrains. You can't hide.</i>
So, who's trying to hide??? The only things being hidden lately are BCs, school records, medical records, etc.,etc. So who are the ones afraid...hmmmm??
I mean, we haven't entered the era of Pravda and the KGB.........yet! But then again, it's the paranoid who have to hide their own records who are the ones who eventually develop such "human" systems. And eventually they ALWAYS fail.
It's important to point out to certain people that I brought my law suit against the Secretary of State of New Jersey in action to compel her to do her statutory duty under NJSA 19:13-22, and her Constitutional duty, under her oath of office, to uphold the Constitution.
I argued that BOTH McCain and Obama were ineligible to be President... the suit was Bi-partisan. Furthermore, I've shown nothing but respect for both candidates. It's not personal, but the law is the law... Article 2, Section 1 requires a very high level of citizenship, something more than just 14th Amendment citizenship. That is the essence of the suit.
Much appreciation for everybody paying attention and learning the issues before writing. I have refused to issue a form letter because I don't want sheep following me around, that's how we lose our Power. I want people to learn the law, read the documents I've posted, study the cases and statutes, and then and ONLY then, after having become educated do I want them to write if they feel in their heart that they should write a letter.
All of this is just typical of what we have seen throughout this whole campaign. I think that if American Thinker knew about this, maybe they would write an article and let others know: <editor@american thinker.com>. And how about talk radio:
<http://www.lanlamphere.com/public/wp-login.php>. He is on in the evenings from about 7 or 8 pm until about midnite I think.
Another good site is: http://countryfirst.bravehost.com/
Awesome work, Leo , just sorry you have run into so many snags. We are all behind you. You are the best!!!
"8:21, everyone knows you're an O-bot and you're lying, so please leave."
Nnnnooo... Us? Lying? Never!
Get this, peabrains: We will never stop doing everything we can just to screw with you. There's absolutely no way you're going to get anything done, but we love watching the veins bulge out of your necks. For us, it is pure fun.
So we'll continue calling and writing letters and reading your blog posts and forums and making sure you legitimately have an impossible time of smearing people. Oh, and we'll continue to tell them that you sent us. We've got 234 letters submitted to us today that will be mailed out first thing tomorrow. All of them say different things with one exception. They all mention this site and the information contained within.
"Get this, peabrains: We will never stop doing everything we can just to screw with you. There's absolutely no way you're going to get anything done, but we love watching the veins bulge out of your necks. For us, it is pure fun."
Whew, yeah - and what a job you've been doing. They're all completed distraught over your scathing posts. If the crickets we're chirping so loud, you might actually be able to hear their sobbing. And those letters or whatever it is you're sending out - that's going to blow the lid on the entire project. People, you're dealing with a real criminal genius here! And what whit! "Peabrains", "peanuts", and so on!
However, I'm terribly confused about something. The fact that a criminal mastermind like yourself is spending time on this must be a clue that Leo is on the right track. I can think of no greater crime than squandering the time of a prodigy! So, you're actually lending their efforts credibility. Why would one even bother with a genuine crackpot? And why reveal your true intentions? Ahh, if only I could plumb the depths of your infinite wisdom and clarity!
But maybe this is all a ruse - a fake sabotage to throw these people off track! Or perhaps you're referring to the utter futility of their actions, given your determination - but Anonymous, since we're all dead in the end - isn't all action futile?
Wait - if Barry Soetoro, er Hussein Obama, er Jimmy "Darkmeat" Carter, errr, whatever - is the true savior of the United States, you're actually doing these people a favor by decreasing their Signal/Noise ratio! I think you all owe this man an apology.
You still don't get it, and that's the beautiful thing. This isn't about legitimizing what their doing, or even acknowledging that they could be "on to something" as you so sneakily suggest in a way that's meant to give yourself a little bit of hope.
Here's the thing, munchkin: The fact that you guys hate Obama so much is the hysterical part. I honestly just love watching you build yourselves up with all your hatred, and then make posts like this when your efforts are dashed without so much as a consideration by the MSM. From another forum:
"Today, I watched my country start to die. I'll fly my flag at half mast until Hussein is no longer in office."
I mean come on. Bunch of damn cry babies who can't take defeat. Me and the boys started a drinking game around you idiots' comments. We had to stop because we were getting too drunk.
Now here's the next thing you'll do. You're going to suggest that somehow I'm less patriotic than you and that you're some sort of constitution purist and this is a bi-partisan suit, blah blah. But it's complete bull and you know it. Your only interest is to discredit Obama and that's all. If Donofrio was trying to bring down a president-elect McCain you'd be up in arms calling him unpatriotic. It's all the same BS you guys have been spewing for decades. It doesn't make it anymore true. And plus, peabrain, I served my country. 3 years in Iraq fighting for you to be able to spew your garbage. So now I'm taking out my frustration by screwing with idiots. It's more fun than I thought it would be. And you're all so predictable as well. Love it.
I'll apologize to good ole' Leo when he apologizes for wasting the supreme court's time with this garbage.
"You still don't get it, and that's the beautiful thing. This isn't about legitimizing what their doing, or even acknowledging that they could be "on to something" as you so sneakily suggest in a way that's meant to give yourself a little bit of hope...
If Donofrio was trying to bring down a president-elect McCain you'd be up in arms calling him unpatriotic... blah blah blah blah.. ".
Obviously you haven't even read what this lawsuit is all about, have you?
You're so deep in your MESSiah's butt that you can't even see further than the tip of your flat nose. Leo is also suing for McCain's liability to be on the ballot since there is no proof that he's also an US Citizen. I guess you must be one of those zombies who are so bored in their tiny liberal communist life since they don't have to sing one of those fake brainwashing slogan a la "YES WE CAN" anymore.
"Get this, peabrains: We will never stop doing everything we can just to screw with you. There's absolutely no way you're going to get anything done, but we love watching the veins bulge out of your necks. For us, it is pure fun.
So we'll continue calling and writing letters and reading your blog posts and forums and making sure you legitimately have an impossible time of smearing people. Oh, and we'll continue to tell them that you sent us. We've got 234 letters submitted to us today that will be mailed out first thing tomorrow."
First you complain that Mr. Donofrio is "wasting the Supreme Court's time" and then you demonstrate that you're the one writing 234 letters, all saying something different? What a hypocrite! You're a one-man band with a threatening mouth, speaking for the Obama campaign and it's been noted and printed.
Don't make threats. You're going to open a can of worms you're going to wish you never did. Your IP can be traced. What you're doing to obstruct justice is against the law.
Think before you open your big, fat mouth. All you've succeeded in doing is pissing me off now, so I'm adding your comments to my blog at teamsarah.org, where there isn't 50 people watching, but 60,000.
Regardless of your opinion in the vast controvercy of Barack Obama's natural born citizen status, it is proven fact that NJ Secretary of State allowed the criminal alien, Roger Calero, who was not even filed with the FEC onto our NJ ballot as a candidate for President.
It would really help Mr. Donofrio's SCOTUS action if you covered this case in the news. It is NJ news worthy.
If you take a moment to review the history of the blatant sabotage by the stay clerk, I'm sure you would agree news coverage would help.
About Roger Calero:
How did New Jersey's Secretary of State Nina Mitchell Wells certify the constitutional qualifications, N.J.S.A. 19:13-22, for Socialist Workers Party Presidential candidate Roger Calero?
Excerpt:
Róger Calero is the Socialist Workers Party candidate for president. Calero, 39, has been active in the fight for legalization of undocumented workers for many years. He participated in the large nationwide May Day demonstrations demanding legalization for immigrants beginning in 2006, and in subsequent years. In July, he joined a march of 1,500 people in Postville, Iowa, protesting the immigration raid, detentions, hasty trials, and deportations of nearly 400 packinghouse workers who worked at the Agriprocessors meatpacking plant.
The immigration cops are seeking to "exclude" him deny Calero re-entry into the United States and deport him to his native Nicaragua, based on a 1988 conviction, when he was a high school student in Los Angeles, on a charge of selling marijuana to an undercover cop. Faced with the prospect of jail, Calero copped a plea and received a suspended 60day sentence with three years probation.
Permanent resident for 12 years
When Calero applied for permanent residence in 1989 he specifically included information about his conviction, which immigration officials waived in order to grant him a green card giving him the right to live and work in the United States, In 2000 the INS replaced his card with full written information of the 12?year?old conviction. Today, Calero, who is married to a U.S. citizen, lives in Newark, New Jersey
LOL! Odd how certain O-Bots are so worked up. They must be worried. Get your respectful letters out to SCOTUS. Leo's cas is bi-partisan and designed to protect the Constitution for all Americans. Even if O-Bots send letters - SCOTUS clerks and Justices will make sure the case is not lost in the Mr. Bickel shuffle. We should thank the O-Bots for helping.
Bar of Integrity, you have an interesting blog... You say that this "Daniel Amon" is fictitious and is a graphic designer... interesting... so is he Debbie's source for the image? Is this all a smokescreen? Has anyone else tried to get Obama's SSS app through the FOIA?
If I were you I would put your post on Debbie's blog and see what she or anyone else says about it. I'm dejected to hear that the image may be a false one, but on the other hand, maybe this means there is no actual application to be found?
(link to his blog: http://blog.barofintegrity.us/2008/11/14/barack-obama--daniel-amon--sssgov--many-questions.aspx)
"Don't make threats. You're going to open a can of worms you're
going to wish you never did. Your IP can be traced. What you're doing
to obstruct justice is against the law.
Think before you open your big, fat mouth. All you've succeeded in
doing is pissing me off now, so I'm adding your comments to my blog at
teamsarah.org, where there isn't 50 people watching, but 60,000."
o0o0o0oo0 I is shaking!! Look at me so sccccaaarrrreeeddd!! Puuuuhhhlllleeeeaaaassseeee. You think we don't have teamsarah.org covered, too? The real funny thing about that site is it looks like all the Clintonistas just packed up and moved into a new pink house and sit around going "maaaverick!" and "I can see Russia from my hooouse!" And if I'm pissing you off, then I've done my job.
And please do try to keep your head about you. Obstruction of justice? I think not, especially not with all the letters and phone calls you people have left. Maybe you should look up what obstruction of justice actually is, fool, because we're doing nothing of the kind. We're just piggie-backing on what you guys are already doing. Nothing new. You see, I actually talked to Mr. Bicknell yesterday in a very civil tone. He had some interesting things to say about some of your phone calls! Quite.
Waiting for my can of worms now. Maybe I'll run along and play with my maverick dart board some more before I eat some moose chili and contemplate Africa on a map.
And I almost forgot, teamsarah, one more thing. Don't flatter yourself with fake traffic reports. You don't even get half the traffic you claim you do.
When elected leaders start ignoring parts of the Constitution, e.g., "natural born citizen," we the people have to be concerned other parts may be ignored as well for "the common good." ALL Presidential and VP candidates have to be vetted NOW and for all future Presidential elections.
"And I almost forgot, teamsarah, one more thing. Don't flatter yourself with fake traffic reports. You don't even get half the traffic you claim you do.
That traffic isn't for the public. That traffic is for the organizers, stupid!
You have no idea where we post or where we are, but if you'd like a sampling, you can go check out Hannity.com, yahoo groups, msn groups, irc, catholicforums.com, aim, paltalk, etc.
"You see, I actually talked to Mr. Bicknell yesterday in a very civil tone. He had some interesting things to say about some of your phone calls! Quite."
Then I'm sure he told you that he never spoke to me. That is if he can tell the truth. I wrote a letter.
Your threats aren't stopping anyone here. We're within the legal entitlement and due process of law. You aren't, however, with the threats and speaking for the Obama campaign. All that's going to end up doing, is ultimately investigating you via the FBI, who I'll be calling now.
BTW, did I mention I work for law enforcement? I'm sure I'll be able to find someone who can look into your threats.
But by all means, keep yapping. You're helping my case.
"That traffic isn't for the public. That traffic is for the organizers, stupid!"
That traffic's also not the only thing I checked, but it does reflect accurately that your site isn't nearly as popular as you would like it to be. Sniffle... Boohoo!
And yes, I know you're everywhere. Stupid people surround us smart folk, that is a fact. We also know everywhere you post and where you are. We read teamsarah.org, the source of most of our big laughs actually.
"Who is "Mr. Bicknell" that the O-Bot was talking to? Never heard of him. Maybe he is a lttle voice in the O-bots head. LOL! "
The O-bot is a derranged individual that is mad this suit has been filed and hence; is trying to intimidate people with threats and implications that he's involved with the Obama insiders.
Mr. Bicknell is the Stay Clerk at the United States Supreme Court, who I'm sure hung up on Mr. O-bot.
"Your threats aren't stopping anyone here. We're within the legal
entitlement and due process of law. You aren't, however, with the
threats and speaking for the Obama campaign. All that's going to end
up doing, is ultimately investigating you via the FBI, who I'll be
calling now.
BTW, did I mention I work for law enforcement? I'm sure I'll be able to find someone who can look into your threats.
But by all means, keep yapping. You're helping my case."
Ssuuuurrrreeee you do. I'm sure you have a bridge to nowhere I can buy too.
Give me a break, fool. FBI? Because I'm part of some people that like picking on you? I'm so scared I'm so scared! It will be a new legal case, right? Poor Mccain supporter v. Big mean internet guy! Oh man that's funny.
Here is the other, funniest thing of all. Pssssttt. I'm not even an Obama supporter! Ron Paul should have been the Republican nominee. The only reason I mess with you people is because the Obama people don't even care anymore. You guys sure do and man is it funny! Not once have I mentioned supporting the Obama campaign. In fact I have only even said his name once. This just supports the fact that you all hate him so much you pee yourself at night.
"And yes, I know you're everywhere. Stupid people surround us smart folk, that is a fact. We also know everywhere you post and where you are. "
Ooooo guys, watch out. Big brother and his brown-coat Gestapo, otherwise known as the Civil Security Service that doesn't even exist, is watching us! He even thinks he knows where we post!
He's a liar wannabe from the Hitler youth program.
The FBI will be with you shortly, with a straight jacket. lololol
"The O-bot is a derranged individual that is mad this suit has been
filed and hence; is trying to intimidate people with threats and
implications that he's involved with the Obama insiders.
Mr. Bicknell is the Stay Clerk at the United States Supreme Court, who I'm sure hung up on Mr. O-bot."
Obama insiders! Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!! Where is my beer? Oh man thats good. You go ahead and show me where I said I was involved with Obama. Go ahead. Where? Oh I see, it's nowhere. Like your bridge.
And me and Mr. Bicknell had a good conversation for about 10 minutes. He absolutely did not hang up on me.
I got an email blast from conservatives working on..something...this morning. I told them about Leo's case and how citiziens should write supporting letters to the Justices to insure Leo's case is reviewed. I gave them the links.
I am hoping they will send out a blast with the details to the group after lunch. They have at least 1,500 motivated people in the group. I will stay on it. Keep working your networks and connections.
"He's a liar wannabe from the Hitler youth program.
The FBI will be with you shortly, with a straight jacket. lololol"
Hitler youth! Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha! Chug another one!
I'm looking around and no FBI. But man am I scared! So scared I think I will go outside and eat my sandwhich with a sign on my neck that says I AM BIG INTERNET MEAN GUY!
"I got an email blast from conservatives working on..something...this
morning. I told them about Leo's case and how citiziens should write
supporting letters to the Justices to insure Leo's case is reviewed. I
gave them the links."
This is exactly the kind of thing that makes my job so easy. Keep it coming!
A fine attempt is made at divining the "original meaning" of the term "natural born citizen" as that term is used in the Constitution, and the article arguably places a very heavy marker down in terms of challenging the presidential office qualifications of one of the two major presidential candidates. Which one? Why. McCain, of course--the author is an Professor of Law at a U.S. law school, and can hardly afford to be seen as challenging the credentials of "the One."
However, I feel fairly confident that his article could just as easily have supported the laying down of a similarly heavy marker in terms of challenging Obama's qualifications for the office of U.S. In fact, based on the clear care that was taken by the author to lay out his case for drawing McCain's qualifications into question, I have a sneaking suspicion that the author knows this. Moreover, his target audience (other law school professors and practicing constitutional attorneys) may know this as well. So it may be that at the time the article was published, the intent was not so much to instill fear in the hearts of partisan Republicans, but rather, to deprive them of anything approaching enthusiasm for embarking on a pre-election strategy of defeating Obama not at the ballot box on election day, but rather in the courts. Put simply, this would amount to a Mutually Assured Destruction policy that each side would be fully motivated to hold to in order to preserve its respective self-interest. Apparently the truce held.
This is but one major reason why Mr. Donofrio's lawsuit holds such great interest for me. He brought his lawsuit in a timely fashion once he learned of the clear non-feasance of the NJ Secretary of State in terms of vetting the qualifications of presidential candidates, as she is statutorily required to do. He added allegations relating to the inclusion of the Socialist Party candidate to his complaint, also in a timely fashion, once he learned that that individual did not qualify as a "natural born citizen" under the Constitution, evincing still further evidence of his pure motives. And he stuck to his guns despite the onslaught of faceless bureauocratic hostility to his cause of action. This is a true, non-partisan patriot, plain and simple.
Thank you Mr. Donofrio. I pray for your success and for the safety of the Republic. Please get the word out about what's going on with this serious usurpation of our rights.
If I were you I would put your post on Debbie's blog and see what she or anyone else says about it. I'm dejected to hear that the image may be a false one, but on the other hand, maybe this means there is no actual application to be found?
I wasn't able to log into Debbie's blog this morning. That is why I opened my blog post with a track back to her. The track back should 'ping' her. She will see in her Admin Blog view that I linked to her. Then she will review it to approve the link.
Ironically enough, I had a bit of trouble getting back to this Natural Born Citizen blog too. I was getting access denied.
Below is an attempt to imbed a 'hot link' from World Net Daily (www.wnd.com) this morning. If the link isn't 'hot' just go to the web site to read the article. It gives a summary of lawsuits filed against Obama's eligibility to run for the Presidency.
It makes me sad to see that most of the lawsuits aren't progressing because of perceived technicalities rather than being reviewed based on the merits of the suit itself. It is becoming increasingly obvious that our courts do not protect the rights and privileges of the citizens.
Mr. Donofrio's lawsuit, along with some others, finally made a blip on the news radar, but not mainstream news media. In reading through the various lawsuits, I thought Mr. Donofrio's looks like the strongest one.
I have one question for Obama supporters. Why does he not simply provide the authentic documentation and put this matter to rest. Instead, he has THREE lawfirms retained to derail any attempts to get to the truth. Explain why, please. ALL Americans deserve to know the truth. If he is a natural born citizen, then he will be the President. Very simple.
I think Leo has a serious suit that has large implications for the nation.No ifs ands or buts.He is forcing us as a nation in the forum of SCOTUS to understand the distinctions between,citizen,non-citizen,naturalized,etc.It indirectly plays on the 14th amendment/anchor baby issue without dealing with it, just yet.However,it is clear that the "globalists" are eroding away the meaning of citizenship,American,etc.to turn us into economic zones with silicon-veined "citizens of the world".WE must philosophically decide as a nation if we are a nation of AMERICANS or foreigners.Americans include assimilated foreigners.Foreigners & multicultural global citizens want "America" gone.
LEO is giving us the "appetizer"on this issue as it is at the apex.WE must then figure out the other part of this as a nation.
The same symposium that included the above-discussed article challenging McCain's qualifications to run for president also included the following article:
The author makes the following point: "Fortunately, there are alternative means to adjudicate this matter that are consistent with the U.S. Constitution. The most promising is a pre-election state court lawsuit seeking to keep an allegedly unqualified candidate off the ballot."
I presume the author of this article will be pleased to see that his advice has been taken--to the letter--by Mr. Donofrio.
Again, hats off to Mr. Donofrio for braving the slings and arrows of bureaucratic outrage!
...So I'm reading all the comments, and agree with 99% of the fellow
Berg supporters. I've written to my Congressman, etc. The internet is
full of factual data. Knowing where to look to confirm data is key. So,
reading what you are all writing about the laws, I went to the Social
Security Death index to get Barack's mother's info. On this site is her
birth date, state of issuance of the Social Security number, and the
place she last lived. Here is the Link: http://ssdi.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ But,
something more interesting, a friend called me saying in Maryland where
she lives, is a rumor that BHO had an illigitimate kid in 2004 that
they are trying to keep hushed, but she heard this child passed away in
a mysterious way, no cause of death. So on the death index, I simply
typed in the last name OBAMA, sure as I'm sitting here, up came this
information about a baby born in Oct of 2004 and passed away in Dec. of
2004, very sad, but does this add to the ongoing Peyton place type
novel of this idiot about to be our President? So now go a step
further, go to www.whitepages.com,
type in OBAMA then just in the state field, type in MD, some guy on
there "WILL OBAMA" his title? I'M PRESIDENT, and there is a "SHEREE"
obama, could be a coincidence, but wouldn't that be something for
someone to look into? did BHO have an illigitamate baby in 2004?
Personally, I think that BHO plot is so thick, we need more than waders
to get through the deep pile of his crap. I pray every day that Mr.
Berg is successful, I say BS to the rumors of "riots" and all that
garbage, and the things people say, "Can you imagine if they prove he's
not elligible??!!" I don't care, the law is the law, and if he's a
fake, fraud, phoney, bs-er, we need him OUTTA HERE. Look at what they
put the baseball players through for "MAYBE they were on steroids" BHO
is on more than just steroids.
The note was published in 1988, and thus the author did not have any motivation to mold and shape her arguments or conclusions to benefit the candidacy of Barack Obama.
According to the author, the issue of whether a person born of one American and one alien parent qualifies as "natural born" has never been resolved. In a related footnote (number 5), the author considers the question of whether it matters which parent (Mom or Dad) is the American, and which is the alien parent, suggesting an answer that may not be pleasing to "the One":
"Whether, in cases of one citizen and one alien parent, the father or the mother is the alien might also affect natural born citizen status since, under American naturalization statutes in effect around the time of the Constitutional Convention, the citizenship of the child depended on the citizenship and residency of the father. See Act of Mar. 26, 1790, 1 Stat. 103, 104. The American naturalization acts were based on earlier British statutes. See, e.g., An act ... For naturalizing ... the children of natural born subjects of the crown, 4 Geo. 2, ch. 21 (1731). The Supreme Court in Montana v. Kennedy concluded that the Naturalization Act of 1802, the controlling statute at the time of the petitioner's birth, made children born abroad citizens only if their fathers were or had been citizens. Montana v. Kennedy, 366 U.S. 308, 310-11 (1961). Until 1934, citizenship of the mother could not be passed on to her foreign-born children. See Rogers v. Bellei, 401 U.S. 815, 826 (1971).
Justice Thomas said that he studies the history and circumstances that existed when the Constitution and its related documents were written. He does this so that he captures, as much as possible, the original intent, instead of imposing his own opinion into the interpretation.
Thanks to the person who provided the Alan Keyes lawsuit link. It seems extremely thorough and will hopefully get the attention of the mainstream media. Then perhaps these other worthy lawsuits will come into the limelight as well.
Folks, just ignore the kook who keeps posting on here. It's some college kid with a lot of time on his hands.
Furthermore, a true Ron Paul supporter is a student of the Constitution and would know and understand the merits of Mr. Donofrio's case.
This idiot thinks he's teasing a bunch of McCain supporters, when in fact without even polling everyone here I am quite sure that isn't the case.
I know I didn't vote for McCain and I didn't vote for Bush either time. I recognize the stranglehold that corporations, special interests and power hungry individuals have on this country's most important document. Mr. Donofrio is one of a generation of citizens who are not only demanding more from our government, but trying to affect REAL CHANGE. Not just uttering some empty phrase with an ever-changing platform behind it.
If law enforcement ever found reason to get involved they would quickly see who was causing the trouble.
So ignore the idiot and stop replying to him. If we lose interest, so will he.
Thank you 'anonymous' at 2:15 PM for posting the information regarding Alan Keyes' lawsuit.
I have emailed the link to: Neil Cavuto, Glenn Beck, Dick Morris, Ann Coulter, Mark Levin, Sean Hannity, Megyn Kelly, Michelle Malkin, Bill O'Reilly, Matt Drudge. Laura Ingraham, and to World Net Daily.
Are you aware of the ATTEMPTED MANIPULATION BY SEN. CLAIRE McCASKILL, OBAMA, ETC TO CHANGE ELIGIBILITY REQUIREMENTS for POTUS back in Jan 2008? Read on...
Proposed resolution: “2d Session S. RES. 511: Recognizing that John Sidney McCain, III, is natural born citizen.: In the Senate of the United States.” was Sponsored by Senator McCaskill and co-sponsored by Senators Leahy, Obama, Coburn, Clinton and Webb. Why?
Why were Democratic Senators trying to pass a Resolution making Senator McCain undoubtedly Legally Eligible when this issue had already been cleared up in 2000 and again in 2004?And why did Senators McCaskill and Obam a reportedly insert the following Clause? . *****“Whereas previous presidential candidates were born outside of the United States of America and were understood to be eligible to be President”***** . This Clause has no particular relevance to McCain and the following Clause, which it is reported McCaskill and Obama attempted to REMOVE shows that: “; and Whereas John Sidney McCain, III, was born to American citizens on an American military base in the Panama Canal Zone in 1936:” It seems clear that McCaskill and Obama were attempting to create a blanket Resolution covering ALL Foreign Born candidates. Why do that if not to benefit a Foreign Born Democratic Candidate, who did not have a US Military background?
McCain & Richardson did not need this resolution… nobody needed this Resolution unless somebody in the race was born outside the USA and was “Covering his/her Ass” and the only individual in the race that that could apply to was Senator Obama! This in turn would show that the Senator is a liar who has been peddling untruths about his birth for at least 16 years!
To Leo & all you other patriots, I'm not sure why my post didn't fully print the first time. Could it be because I wrote a draft first and then copied & pasted? I wish there was a PREVIEW button. Sorry. Hope it comes out this time.
Are you aware of the ATTEMPTED MANIPULATION BY SEN. CLAIRE McCASKILL, OBAMA, ETC TO CHANGE ELIGIBILITY REQUIREMENTS for POTUS back in Jan 2008? Read on...
Proposed resolution: “2d Session S. RES. 511: Recognizing that John Sidney McCain, III, is natural born citizen.: In the Senate of the United States.” was Sponsored by Senator McCaskill and co-sponsored by Senators Leahy, Obama, Coburn, Clinton and Webb. Why?
Why were Democratic Senators trying to pass a Resolution making Senator McCain undoubtedly Legally Eligible when this issue had already been cleared up in 2000 and again in 2004?And why did Senators McCaskill and Obam a reportedly insert the following Clause? . *****“Whereas previous presidential candidates were born outside of the United States of America and were understood to be eligible to be President”***** . This Clause has no particular relevance to McCain and the following Clause, which it is reported McCaskill and Obama attempted to REMOVE shows that: “; and Whereas John Sidney McCain, III, was born to American citizens on an American military base in the Panama Canal Zone in 1936:” It seems clear that McCaskill and Obama were attempting to create a blanket Resolution covering ALL Foreign Born candidates. Why do that if not to benefit a Foreign Born Democratic Candidate, who did not have a US Military background?
McCain & Richardson did not need this resolution… nobody needed this Resolution unless somebody in the race was born outside the USA and was “Covering his/her Ass” and the only individual in the race that that could apply to was Senator Obama! This in turn would show that the Senator is a liar who has been peddling untruths about his birth for at least 16 years!
SORRY, I will re-type it all into the little box this time.
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To Leo & all the other patriots here, Are you aware of the ATTEMPTED MANIPULATION OF Article 2 of the Constitution (Presidential eligibility) back in Jan 2008 BY Senators Claire McCaskill, Obama & others? Read on...
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Proposed resolution: "2d Session S. RES. 511: Recognizing that John Sidney McCain, III, is natural born citizen.: In the Senate of the United States." was Sponsored by Senator McCaskill and co-sponsored by Senators Leahy, Obama, Coburn, Clinton and Webb. Why?
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Why were Democratic Senators trying to pass a Resolution making Senator McCain undoubtedly LEGALLY ELIGIBLE when this issue had already been cleared up in 2000 & again in 2004? And why did Senators McCaskill and Obama reportedly INSERT the following clause?
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******"Whereas previous presidential candidates were born outside of the United States of America and were understood to be eligible to be President"******
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This Clause has no particular relevance to McCain and the following Clause, which it is reported McCaskill & Obama ATTEMPTED TO REMOVE shows that:
"; and Whereas John Sidney McCain, III, was born to American citizens on an American military base in the Panama Canal Zone in 1936:"
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It seems clear that McCaskill and Obama were attempting to create a blanket Resolution covering ALL FOREIGN BORN candidates. Why do that if not to benefit a Foreign Born Democratic Candidate, who DID NOT HAVE A (PARENTAL) MILITARY BACKGROUND? McCain & (Dem Gov) Richardson did not need this resolution... nobody needed this Resolution UNLESS SOMEBODY IN THE RACE WAS BORN OUTSIDE THE USA & was "covering his/her a$$" and the only individual in the race that could apply to was Senator Obama! This in turn would show that the Senator is a liar who has been peddling untruths about his birth for at least 16 years!
Keep fighting, digging & spreading the word. Leo, we will march ("No Justice, No Peace"-style which has worked for decades) in front of the Supreme Court if that is what it takes to have THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE HEARD! This is something even Jesse Jackson & Al Sharpton should be supporting. It benefits the whole country to have a president that DOESN'T START HIS PRESIDENCY with the stench of illegitimacy hanging over it. Look what the 2000 election problems did for our current president. This country needs to UNITE. In order to do that we MUST HAVE A FULL LEGAL AIRING OF THIS SUBJECT PERTAINING TO ALL 3 CANDIDATES (McCain, Obama & Calero). Then the law must be changed to outline exactly WHO is charged with the duty of VETTING CANDIDATES and WHAT RECOURSE THE ORDINARY CITIZEN HAS IF THAT IS NOT DONE.
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I join all here in commending Mr. Donofrio for his brave and persistent attempt to uphold the CONSTITUTION despite the blatant disregard shown by almost all in positions of authority to date.
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And FYI: If you STOP FEEDING the TROLLS, THEY DIE. Be entertained, BE VERY ENTERTAINED, but just resist responding to their idiocy. Their GOAL is to HIJACK serious discussions and THWART communication with others.
Another interesting tidbit from the Selective Service website: It stated employment in the Executive branch (and Post Office) is barred to any male who did not register between the ages of 18 - 25. So both "natural born citizen" status and Selective Service registration status should be documented for male presidential candidates.
With the recent appearance of a Selective Service doc that has been questioned by several people, including: Debbie Schlussel.com, and a retired Federal Agent (32 years svc): Stephen Coffman <retirediceagent@sbcglobal.net>, more questions have been raised about BO's eligibility to be president. Each of the above have raised numerous questions about the validity of the document.
Thanks for bringing up H.R. 511. You may find this interesting as well. From http://rofasix.blogspot.com/2008/04/senate-resolution-511-making-mccain.html:
"The Senate resolution 511 is unconstitutional (illegal).
The Senate voted to break the law of the land on Resolution 511 this week. The Senate declared that McCain is a natural born citizen. Now with the help of Muddy Thoughts (google “Panmanchurian Candidate: McCain INELIGIBLE”)
“McCain has claimed that the Naturalization Act of 1790 (26 March 1790) covers his status as a “natural born” citizen. That is entirely not true. A close look at that Act indicates that it only covered “admission as a citizen”—meaning naturalization—and in any case, that Act was repealed in part on 29 January 1795, and the rest was repealed on 14 April 1802. So that argument does not work, because it was repealed long before McCain was born, and because it created naturalization instead of natural born citizenship were it still in effect.”
I don't know what's going on here, but it seems there's a lot more corruption going on in Washington than we were all led to believe. All these guys knew exactly what was going to arise and tried to beat it to the punch. They deliberately tried to CHANGE long-standing law knowing full-well that someone might lawfully object.
"This Clause has no particular relevance to McCain and the following Clause, which it is reported McCaskill & Obama ATTEMPTED TO REMOVE shows that:
"; and Whereas John Sidney McCain, III, was born to American citizens on an American military base in the Panama Canal Zone in 1936:"
Do we have any proof of the above-underlined "report"?
Also worth mentioning here is that Senate Resolution 511 (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c110:sr511:) is a NON-BINDING resolution by the Senate, passed on April 30, 2008. It's not an Act of Congress.
Furthermore, Congress cannot by legislation alter the Constitution, from which alone it derives its power to legislate and within whose limitations alone that power can be lawfully exercised. See Eisner v. Macomber:
I know I didn't vote for McCain and I didn't vote for Bush either
time. online games I recognize the stranglehold that corporations, special interests
and power hungry individuals have on this country's most important
document. Mr. Donofrio is one of a generation of citizens who are not
only demanding more from our government, but trying to affect REAL
CHANGE. Not just uttering some empty phrase with an ever-changing
platform behind it.
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