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Then/than and been/being
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Published: Jun.29.2006 @ 8:18 pm

The Star Online > Lifefocus



Then/than and been/being

I have seen my son (who has BSc (NZ) and MBA (UK) degrees) misusing hen?for han?and een?for eing?quite often in his writings. 

Such misuses, I thought, were peculiar habits of my son only. To my surprise, I have noticed others falling into the same traps in the following two sentences appearing in The Star of June 13: 

1) However, this presumption is today more fiction then reality (in Articles of Law). 

2) Even those one or two employees whom I rated as ust keep and groomed?for the future of the company are now been old storaged?and had the annual increments of their salaries reduced or frozen?/I> (in pinion?page). 

Obviously, then should be than which reflects comparison as intended, while being is the present participle required in the second sentence. 

Apart from their uses (which have become obsolete) in Old English, then is shown in any dictionary to have quite a number of meanings, none of which is intended to be used in the above sentence and been (which is the past participle of be) can be used with the four types of the perfect tenses as in as/have been?(present perfect), ad been?(past perfect), ill/shall have been?(future perfect) and ould/should have been?(future perfect in the past). ?Kengt, Penang



?1995-2005 Star Publications (Malaysia) Bhd (Co No 10894-D)
Is the snob correct?
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Published: Jun.29.2006 @ 8:17 pm

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Is the snob correct?

I know a snob who likes to go around orrecting?other people pronunciation of English words and embarrassing the hell out of them. Recently, we had an argument over the correct pronunciations of the following words: 

The words in the table are but a few of the irritating pronunciations that he has tried orrecting? 

He also said that people in Europe or the United States will not understand what we mean when we say andphone? that only in Malaysia do we use that word whereas overseas, the correct term is obile phone? Where did the word andphone?come from as I am sure the first Malaysian to use that word did not pluck it out from the sky? 

And are the newsreaders on the BBC or CNN correct in their pronunciations as I would have thought that the way they talk is reflective of their own country or even hometown? For example, a Yorkshire person would pronounce like he is from Yorkshire.  

Anyway, whatever your reply may be, unless it is in his favour, this snob will probably not say you are right if you point out he is wrong. He says the English teachers that taught me were wrong ?and I was taught by nuns in a convent in the late Seventies.  

Please enlighten me. ?Goh Li Lian 

1. As far as I can see, you are correct in your pronunciation of mile? an?and at? But en?is pronounced differently from an? en?is pronounced like en? And et?is pronounced differently from at? et?also uses the same ?sound as en?or et? 

oman?is pronounced ?B>wu-men?with an ?like the ?in oment? which is called a schwa

But omen?is pronounced ?B>wi-min? with short ?sounds in the first and second syllables. 

The ?after eg?in vegetable may be pronounced as a short ?or not pronounced at all. But the last two syllables are not pronounced like able?  

egetable?is pronounced ?B>ve-gi-te-bel?OR ?B>veg-te-bel?with the last two  being schwas. 

s?is pronounced with a very short ?sound, as in us? and certainly not like rse? 

2. andphone?is now a respectable word. You can find it in the latest Oxford Advanced Learner Dictionary (2005) as a word that is used in South-East Asia for what in the US is called a ellphone?and in Britain a obile phone?or just a obile? So when referring to it, remember what country you are in, that all. 

3. The newsreaders on the BBC or CNN tend to use the pronunciations of their own countries and sometimes regions. There are quite a few British newsreaders on CNN, and they don speak like Americans, although CNN is an American network.  

BBC news readers, I notice, tend to speak what is popularly termed tandard English? whether they are English or Asian or Caribbean or African British, but some of the BBC correspondents can be heard speaking with pronounced Scottish or Irish or Indian/Pakistani accents.  

The Yorkshire and other northern accents are less perceptible on BBC, but can be heard a lot in football discussions on ESPN, for example. 

When people are speaking their own languages in their own accents, they are speaking them correctly, although some of them may modify or change their accents so that others may understand them. It is foreign learners of English like ourselves who have to bother about our pronunciation.  

We don have to sound exactly like southern English people or Americans, but other English-speaking people ought to be able to understand us without too much strain. 

Election results 

DURING the Sarawak elections, most reports used the phrase on with a majority of ___ votes? I think it wrong. It should be on by a majority of ___ votes?or on by a margin of ___ votes?  

ith a majority?is a wrong direct translation from the Malay ?I>dengan majoriti? 

The sprinter Gatlin beat Jameson by five metres. NOT ith five metres? What do you think? ulia  

It is not wrong to use the expression ?B>with a majority of ___ votes? 

The Oxford Advanced Learner Dictionary (2005) gives an example of the use of ith?as well as y?with ajority?in the sense you mentioned: he was elected by/with a majority of 749.?nbsp;

The Microsoft Encarta World English Dictionary (2001), which gives one of the meanings of ajority?as he number of votes by which the winning party or group beats the opposition? also uses ith?in the example it gives, i.e. ? swept to power with an overwhelming majority?nbsp;

An Internet search showed more sites using the phrase on with a majority of?(2,030) than those using on by a majority of?(658). Here are some examples: 

n Peterborough, Conservative candidate Stewart Jackson won with a majority of 2,740 ??/I> http://www.guardian.co.uk/print/0,3858,5187471-103685,00.html 

e won by a majority of over 17,000 ??/I> 

http://www.winstonchurchill.org/i4a/pages/index.cfm?pageid=710 

There are also sites using on with a margin of?(476), though there are more using on by a margin of?(26,400). 

It does seem, therefore, that ith?and y?can both be used with ajority?and argin? 

However, when the word ajority?or argin?is not used, there is a difference between a candidate winning ?B>with 20,000 votes?(the total number of votes he got) and another one winning ?B>by 20,000 votes?(the majority he got).



?1995-2005 Star Publications (Malaysia) Bhd (Co No 10894-D)

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